Nationhood – A discussion at the Hub on 30 August 12 – chaired by Sheena McDonald
Inevitably moved to Scottish Independence. I collected words, sound bites!
Participants – all attached to Edinburgh University:
Susan Manning – Cultural; Edinburgh via England but born in Scotland
Alvin Jackson – History; one time lecturer at University College Dublin
Christine Bell – Constitutional Law; from Human Rights Belfast – clearly Northern Irish
Susan Manning: Scotland a land of immigrants; Marx – workers stateless Virginia Wolf – women stateless. Language, Proximity, Union of people. Internet creating the virtual place
Alvin Jackson: Ireland became independent – wanted to get rid of the English connection asap. But then Ireland fought for independence – not Scotland, at least since the 45 – SNP committed to non-violence. Nationhood ↔ Independence. Shared Institutions. Ireland had no permanent Royal Residence.
Christine Bell: globalised world. Realm cf internationalism. Self-government in smaller units. Common interests, ties, culture. Who has the right to pick the question; who owns the debate? Mutual constitutional settlement.
The open discussion
Form follows substance. Who has succeeded? South Africa,
Northern Ireland > Constructive Ambiguity
Who will speak on behalf of the disenfranchised; state fails the citizens. The State – a modern word – earlier country, nation, national identity, community
Independence will take time – not a button press, the decision is just the start
Self-defence a tricky issue, the US right to bear arms – totally changed since the constitution establishes
Civil nationalism v ethnic nationalism. Nation / nationality / citizenship / individual v collective.
Application for British citizenship > the lowest common denominator
In the Rugby match who do you support – easy for me Scotland unless its Scotland v England then its England but not a walk over – women don’t have a rugby team!
OK it’s a mess, but then so is the Independence debate – currently bogged down in trivia – even Trident
Two key sound bites: Form follows substance – not vice versa. Constructive Ambiguity